Siu Nim Tao/Siu Lien Tao

[CHuN]

Vad betyder namnet?

Vad är formens genomgående koncept?

Vad är det viktigaste att lära sig från formen?

Hur relaterar den till center-principerna?

Diskutera!


MvH
CHuN

[frodestrom]

Vad betyder namnet?
Siu - Small
Nim - Thought
Tao - Form or way

Vad är formens genomgående koncept?
It teaches you the 3 seeds of Wing Chun (bong, tan and fook) and how they relate to everything else in the system. It also teaches you the Yi Yee Keem Yeung Ma (character 2 clamping stance) and how it relates to the other stances in the system (not the new stances found in the weapon forms).

Siu Nim Tao also teaches you different types of power:
1) Gung Lik - workin power or elbow power (immovable elbow theory)
2) Fa Lik - Explosive power
3) Sung Lik - Relaxed power
4) Won lik - Wrist power (from practising huen sau correctly)

Vad är det viktigaste att lära sig från formen?
Being relaxed in your stance, correct positions and energy, correct bone alignement for maximum strenght/power in your stance, punch and blocks.

It is also said that if you learn Siu Nim Tau correctly with all applications and chi sau you do not need to learn anything else to be able to defend yourself. Anything else in the system is overkill.

Hur relaterar den till center-principerna?
This is the form that teaches you everything about the jung sein (centreline).

[stefan c]

hi frode,

"Siu Nim Tao also teaches you different types of power:
1) Gung Lik - workin power or elbow power (immovable elbow theory)
3) Sung Lik - Relaxed power"

just a couple of questions, about the different sorts of power you mentioned, if that is ok?

1. do you mean that the gung-lik power only comes from the elbow? or do you mean that in snt you only learn elbow power?

2. does gung-lik mean both working power and elbow power?

3. when do you apply gung-lik and sung-lik?

looking forward to your answers!

bw
stefan

[frodestrom]

Hi frode,

just a couple of questions, about the different sorts of power you mentioned, if that is ok?
No, problem

1. do you mean that the gung-lik power only comes from the elbow? or do you mean that in snt you only learn elbow power?
Gung lik comes the structure in the shape of the blocks, but is focused in the elbow, it is used in all forms, but you learn it in SNT.

2. Does gung-lik mean both working power and elbow power?
It means working power (gung as in Gung Fu = hard work) but it translates in as how the power comes from the elbow, hence elbow power.
If you chi sau with someone who has gung lik, he will feel very heavy without being stiff/tensed or leaning on you.

3. When do you apply gung-lik and sung-lik?
All the time, without them, you don't have good Wing Chun techniques.

Frode

[stefan c]

hi again...
thanks for your answers.
here are a few more quetstions :

"1. do you mean that the gung-lik power only comes from the elbow? or do you mean that in snt you only learn elbow power?
Gung lik comes the structure in the shape of the blocks, but is focused in the elbow, it is used in all forms, but you learn it in SNT."

I find your answer a bit confusing , do you mean that you can test the gung lik in the blocks structur? or do you mean that you only use gung lik in your blocks?

"2. Does gung-lik mean both working power and elbow power?
It means working power (gung as in Gung Fu = hard work) but it translates in as how the power comes from the elbow, hence elbow power."

and if you know the other forms, how does it translate then?


"3. When do you apply gung-lik and sung-lik?
All the time, without them, you don't have good Wing Chun techniques."

can you use them at the same time?

bw
stefan

[jeff_lindqvist]

I'd interpret Frode's answers as:

1. You learn gung lik in SLT, in detail through the first third of the form (a.k.a. the slow section) which has blocks (or whatever we call tan, huen, fook, wu...). They work if the elbow is in the right position (jahng dae lik), so good gung lik is a prerequisite of good technique, and good technique implies that you have good gung lik, so to speak. Even punches have that preferable elbow position. If not, take a look and see if more "power" is emitted with "correct" elbow position.

2. Gung lik is gung lik. If the techniques work, they work. In chi sau the forward pressure is good, and the elbows are not "flying" or "clamping". I'd say that gung lik starts with SLT and just get better throughout the other forms, but somebody might have another opinion.

3. You don't force techniques and therefore they are relaxed (i.e. not "spaghetti") - so one could say that the techniques are more likely to work if you have the proper position AND are relaxed.

Only God knows if I've interpreted Frode's answers correctly...

[frodestrom]

Jeff has a better vocabulary than me, and explains it better
Now I can retire

I find your answer a bit confusing , do you mean that you can test the gung lik in the blocks structur? or do you mean that you only use gung lik in your blocks?
It is used in the structure of the arm, that also means in the punches.

Frode

[quarn]

Ursprungligen postat av jeff_lindqvist

Only God knows if I've interpreted Frode's answers correctly...

And Frode perhaps... Or are you saying that Frode IS God?

[frodestrom]

Ursprungligen postat av quarn

And Frode perhaps... Or are you saying that Frode IS God?

Well, none of you will find out until you touch hands with me
Everyone can be good at talking or writing, but can you actually do it??

To many so called 'Sifus' are what they in HK call 'Gong sau wong' or 'speaking hands king' which actually mean just that, they have the all the theory and cantonese phrases, but don't use it in their Wing Chun.

Frode

[CHuN]

I thought gong sau wong was a term for proficient fighters?
And that Wong Shun Leung was nicknamed Gong Sau Wong after his success in beimo?

[frodestrom]

Ursprungligen postat av CHuN

I thought gong sau wong was a term for proficient fighters?
And that Wong Shun Leung was nicknamed Gong Sau Wong after his success in beimo?

That is correct. He got that nickname because he was good at speaking with his hands.
But it also means the opposite and they say it in a way (using bodylanguage as well) so you know it means something negative.

Frode

[CHuN]

Cool, I'll take your word for it =).

Br,
Kim

[frodestrom]

Ursprungligen postat av CHuN

Cool, I'll take your word for it =).

Br,
Kim

Over here we call them internet warriors.

I've had several people coming to my school, lecturing me on Wing Chun and when it came to actually doing it, they didn't have a clue
They had only done a huge amount of research on the internet.

Frode

[CHuN]

I've known a few myself

[Peer]

Ursprungligen postat av frodestrom

Over here we call them internet warriors.

I've had several people coming to my school, lecturing me on Wing Chun and when it came to actually doing it, they didn't have a clue
They had only done a huge amount of research on the internet.

Frode

Hehehe... This is very well put Frode !

Peer